Thursday September 16 2010

Kitesurfing or snowkiting...if the wind's blowin'...where you goin?

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Postby Dutchkiteboarder » Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:37 pm

Miller ROCKED today!
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Postby Safe_Cracker » Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:02 pm

Anyone of you lucky bastards get it at Keegs?


Polo :twisted:



Might be night session time .... :wink:
I could be wrong, but not usually

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Postby jojy » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:13 pm

Hi all,
Just wanted to say thanks to Muarice and Amanda for helping me out today retrieve my kite (from a tree :lol: ) and specially to Amanda for helping with the bar and lines.

What happened ?
I was asking a guy (sorry, don't know your name , if you'll read this) to launch me, unfortunately, it happened literally :roll: , and before I know what happened, I was in the air, ready for impact. while in the air, I had a sec or two, to pull the safety, which didn't really work, cause it stuck. As soon as I eat some dirt, after first impact with the ground, I've notice another pull coming, at that stage I've release the kite from the chicken loop. So far all is good, well, maybe besides my pride. When I picked up the kite, trying to walk away, thinking the wind is too strong for me...the kite just slipped from my hand, turn and got into the wind. At that point -while still connected to the kite with my safety line- it was saving the kite from the trees or save me a big ass bill in the ER. Long story short, I've disconnected the safety leash and let the kite go, waving bye bye and watching it goes strait into the tree...hanging on to the branches like another big red leaf....... :roll:

Oh well, life saved, no injuries and only one big tare in my kite.
Now I'm looking to fix it - if anyone know how/where, save me the hassle looking at old posts...Thanks

And oh yeah, to all the 'expert' out there, please save the :"what a noob.." and "you shouldn't go out.." blah blah blah.... like I said before :
You want to stay safe = STAY HOME !!
Accident happened and practice bring perfection = no pain no game wright ?

Thanks again for the help, see you all next time
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Kegs - nothing to write home about

Postby xwindsurf » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:50 pm

It turned out mostly a waste of perfect opportunity (i.e. Miller or Michigan City), Kegs today. The wind disappeared around 2 pm, and didn't come back until 4:30 - literally, no kites in the air.
It was shifty much more than you could tell from the official readings. Lucky guys who made it to the other side.

jojy - I strongly disagree with your statement:
You want to stay safe = STAY HOME !!
I'm sure, on a reflection, you know better than that!
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Postby jojy » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:38 pm

Tom,
In my mind, we are all adults, and as one, I believe in freedom of choices, meaning let the other try, sometimes fail, but you know what they saying, sometimes you have to learn the hard way. I've learn today, that you definitely DON'T try a new bar on a new kite and test it in this weather and strong wind.. :roll: . I've also learn, that my skill as disconnect myself in a time of need, ware good, but not that much (fact : I did eat some dirt today :wink: ).
All in all, my point is that you need to do your home work and know the sport you're getting into....because of that, I know how to bail myself from a MUCH worse condition.

As always, there will be always those ppl that thinking this sport is all about the nice color of the kites, that's why YouTube is full with "don't doe's" clips.....

I'm NOT saying I know all - NOT BY FAR - I only ask to be given a chance to practice without been judge with every step I make (NOT include good build critisizem and surfing tips :wink: )
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Postby xwindsurf » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:45 pm

Avi,
You got me all wrong. We have a saying in Polish that can be translated loosely as: "home - that's where people die" - some of the worst accidents happened to my friends at home.
I'm all with you, and have my own endless list of mishaps, f...-ups, and mess-ups.
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Postby STF » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:06 pm

hmmmmmm


tasty day,....rode for about 4 hrs, can hardly move and still frozen.


Rode my 5m and then my 10m


wind was 28 to 39 or so when i started, then died down to around 22-26 and put the 10m up for that.


sore sore sore


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Postby jojy » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:12 pm

Sorry for the delay Tom, it's probably because I still have send in my head :wink: :lol: :lol:
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Postby alarmclock71 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:31 pm

Looks like the guys at MIller made a better choice. When I got to Keegs today around 4:30, nobody was flying anything. But 10 minutes later, it picked up again and I was able to have some fun on 12M. Big waves, not great for newbies like me, but what the hack. What does not break us, makes us ...Other guys (6-8) had some more fun, but the wind was wacky for the rest of the day and the beach was clear around 6:30pm.

Special takes to Tom who gave me few pointers after he tore up his kite in the waves.

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Postby IVO » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:48 pm

Joly,

I get told once from one of the best waterman on the lake,"its all fun and games before shit hit the fan,after that its up to you..Doesnt matter how many people are around you,always count only on yourself!You did what seems the best for you in the situation,learn from it and put all to the memory bank".

dont worry about the kite,its better to lose kite than to get injured and btw..my kite took off from my hand and decorated near pole in South Haven as well..:)I was warned to pump 7m instead 9m.Thanks West for all..

oh and Amanda,you get your degree at Casino today,not all boys would ride that spot today 8)
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Postby jojy » Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:26 am

Tnx Ivo,
And in case I'll forget about today, both of my hands (fingers to be more accurate) feels like their broke :evil: :evil: .

But like you said, painful maybe, but it's good to loos a kite Vs your life.

Grate to hear it was a good day to everybody (well, besides those who lost a kite on the way...)
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Postby adseguy » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:20 am

Damn Avi! That sucks. I'm glad you are good though. So what exactly happened. Someone launch you too early? Were you too far in the wind window? Did you send the kite up too fast and get lofted?
It would be nice to know so all of us can be reminded on what to look out for.

Too bad I couldn't go out. I saw all of it building, but I'm in colorado for vacation. Glad you guys got the second big north wind that the season is just starting to bring
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Postby jojy » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:52 am

Hi Adrian,
So from flying the kite point of view, there ware a few mistakes for sure.
First, I was standing (just like Amanda pointed it to me later) way in the power zone, I definitely should have start from upwind and going down.
Second, and as a result of my first mistake, I should have watch the wind on the kite BEFORE giving the OK sign, meaning, watch the kite is strait and not wiggling in the wind too much.
Third and last - at list as I recall - that was the first time I was trying my Cabrinha bar with my (Ex) LF Assault 9m. I should have test it first on a lighter wind day and make sure all is PERFECT, I didn't , and for that I have 4 fingers in each hand that feels like crap.

All in all, I was lucky not to have more sires injuries.

I do have one request, I KNOW IT IS THE KITER RESPONSEBILITY, but please, if anyone feels their not sure of how to launch a kite, say something first. I DO NOT blame the guy who launched me, but some how it feels like the kite was literally thrown into the wind, Vs just let go and let the 'pilot' do the rest.

BTW, my kite was flying to the trees because when I was trying to cary it back to the beach after my first accident, a gust of wind blow me away and made my kite slip wright under my arm.....oh well, shit happened :roll: :wink:
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Postby 4w7s » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:46 am

Sorry about the mishaps out there. Be glad the demage and injuries were not worse.

Adseguy asked some important questions and Jojy pointed out some key factors leading to the accident. Perhaps this could be the beginning of a new thread. There are a number of things to mention here:

- Most accidents happen when launching and landing. e.g, kite in power zone, or too far upwind; improper release; lauching in very gusty wind; launching too large of a kite, or not landing one before the wind has increased too much...plenty more examples to discuss.

- If there is ANY question about how to launch and land a kite then DON'T DO IT! Get proper instruction first. If you SEE someone who is obviously not understanding how to properly launch or land a kite, STOP THEM IMMEDIATELY, to prevent a possible accident for them and other innocent bystanders.

- If you are launching and landing in gusty/shifty wind, EXPECT the kite to surge forward and fall back, violently sometimes. If you launch/land in these conditions in too tight of an area, or your assistant does not understand the complexities when releasing/catching your kite, you could end up with big problems.

- unmatched or untuned control bars/kites. I've seen even the most experienced riders make this mistake - using a different/unmatched bar for the first time and getting the surprise of their life when the kite can't be depowered or controlled...DO NOT test fly your gear on a day of strong wind, nor at a spot where you don't have LOTS of buffer zone.

- Losing grip of your kite while carrying it? Here's a little tip: Sometimes a gust of wind will take the kite, or you lose your grip while switching hands, or you trip on someting and let go of the kite by mistake. When it's really windy, or if I have to walk a long way with my kite upside down, I clip my kite-leash to the little loop most kites have in the center of the LE. You could also clip it to the bridle.

- As for the QR device: Even with the best devices out there, this is my opinion - they should rename these devices as the "second chance release" because in 95% of instances the initial reaction time by the pilot is too slow to activate the "quick release" (see the irony?), AND/OR often the release force is too high for someone when the kite is under load...and the kiter gets dragged/lofted, etc.. Usually when someone gets lofted or dragged, there is sometimes (hopefully) another brief moment when the kite luffs and depowers and that's your "second chance" to release or unhook...IF you have your wits about you and IF you are still conscious. This is another reason to make sure you launch/land/and ride with enough space downwind so that you have this "second chance".

- always make sure you adjust your footstraps BEFORE you launch your kite. Some days you ride barefoot, or with booties, or someone else's board - and then you realize the straps are too tight/too loose - you try to adjust them with the kite flying and...voila...kite goes out of control.

I'm sure much can be added to this discussion, but I'll leave it at that for now, and allow others to comment.
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Postby West » Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:23 pm

Maurice got it right..........Miller rocked!!! 8)

It was nice to meet Avi, Maurice, and Amanda at Miller; also good to see Ben again. Nice crew at the bottom of the lake.

Wind built quickly once it shifted. Amanda got there around 11 or so and rode her 9m "perfectly powered" I do believe for about an hour or so....the wind began clocking more NW and building.

I hit the beach to the sight I love soooooo much......the sight of sand being blown through the parking lot with a side-on wind...screaming on through!! Knew it was either a 9m or a 7m. Decided to rig a 9m, ride for a while, once it turned too onshore I was heading to Casino!!

Wind was a bit gusty, which is typical in the first few hours of a strong NW...rode in front of parking lot for awhile, then went upwind with Greg to find some cleaner waves to ride. Was probably about head high, and building when I went out....within an hour there were 8 to 10 foot faces and it was breaking out past the pierhead. Unbelievable how quickly it can build in wave height.

Rode with Greg, tagged a couple of the bigger sets, crisscrossing and screamin' and hollerin'......gotta love the FALL....and it is here in full force. Had my 9m depowered all the way, and was still juiced to the max. Came in when it started gusting to 40.....packed it up and headed to the Casino.

Showed up to the best thing you can see at the Casino. That is Scotty G. tearin' it up on a 9m. You know you are hittin' the Casino at the right time when Scotty is playin' the slots!!!!! It was good....damn good....bout as good as it gets at the Casino. Slavi, Ivo, Amanda, Ben, Greg, Scotty G and myself sliced, diced and tore it up till dark and then some.

The surfers were catching waves on the corner....Pete (the best surfer on the Lake) was shredding it left and right. INFO for all......NEVER spray a surfer, fly your kite over a surfer, or go upwind of a surfer in the line-up. ABSOLUTELY a NO NO!!!!!! Promote good relations, respect their "line-up", and give 'em a smile and a salute....watch 'em, but give 'em some space. :wink:

Greg, Amanda and I went to 3 Floyds after the "streetlight sesh", and marvelled over their 17 beers on draught....all brewed on premises!! Gumballhead, Pride and Joy, and the Lord Admiral Nelson made it to our table, along with a killer Cheese Pizza and some apps. WOW!!!! now that's a tradition that we ain't gonna let die. 3 Floyds after a Fall Miller sesh.......that's livin', livin' LARGE!!!
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Postby ironben » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:05 pm

I finally logged some hours on my 9.5 kahoona. Coming to Miller and seeing gust,big waves, strong wind and kites landing on trees got Me worry. But after being punshed i got it Down and now i love it. Great crew , Thanks for help and good exemple and not sending Me HOME!
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Postby Dutchkiteboarder » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:19 pm

Thats the spirit Ben! I knew you could do it! It was really cool to see you riding!

West good to meet you too finally
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Postby ironben » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:16 pm

West wrote:
Greg, Amanda and I went to 3 Floyds after the "streetlight sesh", and marvelled over their 17 beers on draught....all brewed on premises!! Gumballhead, Pride and Joy, and the Lord Admiral Nelson made it to our table, along with a killer Cheese Pizza and some apps. WOW!!!! now that's a tradition that we ain't gonna let die. 3 Floyds after a Fall Miller sesh.......that's livin', livin' LARGE!!!


looks like i missed some fun!
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Postby Dechamp » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:55 am

DA Haven was OFF the charts Thurs. The third sand bar was relentless with constant 10 footer and sideshore winds. Out of all the years of riding this spot I never had too work so hard to get past that break. The wave spacing was very smooth and spread out but the white water was huge. Lots of chicken jibes to get out. But once you were past the 3rd bar it was pick and choose the best sets with the longest walls. About 100yds straight off the pier head were the first to start jacking up. the faces were a bitt bumpy but once the wave caught the edge of the pier it jacked back up and bent to the right for the supper wall of fame. killer day................

Plenty of mayham out there also. Todd G and Chris had to wrestle Dennis down to keep him from kite looping up the bluff. Little E who was near the third sand bar when he shattered his second control Bar of the season :shock: Dad I'm sure Naish will cover that one also. Nice riding out there you guys!
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