Sharing favorite wave spots

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Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby Misfit » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:12 am

Hey all,

Over the years I've been faced with many that act like sharing your favorite wave spot with others is an act of treason. One of my favorite things about kiting is the camaraderie between riders. Why would a person want to keep it to themselves? I'd love to get others views to help me understand this.


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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby FSP » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:54 am

I dont think there are that many folks who actually care for the waves here to begin with actually. Even less who get enough time on the water to understand it, or make use in terms of skills for the good ones that come. Its also not the spot or location so much as the conditions/circumstances that make it come alive. Most every spot we know can have great waves (for a lake and some ocean standards) given the right conditions (every beach has its day here!)

That said, there are a few of us in particular that would like to ride with others on these days, but are far more interested in expressing how much you missed it!! :) :) :) I like to fuel the fire with those to keep it fun and check those bros :D :D :D .

I think too, in order to be charging you kind of need a big EGO to participate, and its going to bring a cockiness and arrogance. You simply have to be humored by the immaturity and come to embrace it (cliques, teams, it was better where i was!!!, etc.) because that is the nature of it and its not exactly charity work.

You have to love to compete and realize kiteboarding just naturally brings out an inflated self image that folks tend to lose control of even among their friends so pretending as though you got it best is our nature or at least gets the best of us. As said, probably makes you more of a ripper on the big days too.
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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby Eric A. » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:39 am

I'd love to have some friends to ride with on a good wave day. Most of my buddies
head out on downwinders which leaves the whole spot to myself.
I'm usually the only one out in the lineup besides the surfers. Last week in st joe was beautiful but again just me.
So Cory....lets ride. I usually don't have time to run downwinders but love getting an hour of power in the waves.
Scotty is right most riders around here have NO interest in waves. Most are pier huggers and butter boys. That's just fine with me. More room to move to my own groove down in the zone.

My fav spots are Sh, st joe and honey hole up near the point.
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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby adseguy » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:16 pm

Cory,

I get a sense of elitism from some people. It's not strong, but it's definitely there in my opinion. Calling places secret spots or not letting others that want to know about it shows this clearly. Not much you can do but sigh a little and point it out. It's never really affected me, but I see where you are coming from.
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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby IVO » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:54 pm

Hey Cory,how have you been buddy?

Short and clean,I think its nonsence,I could recall few times word "secret spot" on this forum and it was more funny than anything else,but thats about it.Not letting others to know favorite spot when asked?I never even heard about that someone wouldn't share info between kiters when asked..

For that matter most really aren't interested about waves,huging jetty,riding flats,how many times have you seen post "where is the best wave spot for tmr' here? :lol: and those who were into,always find the way to the pack

Dont see this here in Midwest,where is this wind coming from man?


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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby mrgrey » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:00 am

I kinda echo what IVO says, Ive only been at this 16 months since I got up for the first time and Ive had nothing but good intel from those whom I asked about where to go. I will admit sometimes it gets a little cryptic when Scotty and Bro speak are in effect... took me a while to understand the language of kiting here on Lake Michigan and in general. Now I'm gettin more solid toeside time in and carvin my first waves with the actual intention of doing so... got a long way to go but practice makes perfect.
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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby Northerner » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:41 am

My favorite wave spots? Sheboygan on a big NNE or SSE, Two Rivers on a SSW or SW if the waves are not that big and lastly Superior

One thing about sharing the word about waves when they are going off is the mixture of people that come up. If 6 good wave riders show up their impact on how many waves I catch is negligible. On the other hand when just one or two show up that have zero experience in waves it can really change the sitituion for all. Why becasue they ride like they do any other place, meaning they cut back and forth instead of going down the line. They also stuggle to understand situational awarness and can't anticipate what a person riding a wave will do next, cutting people off. Lastly its hard to hit waves when downed kites are in the way. Even after friendly converstions with new wave riders their old habbits often return as the zig and zag in the sweet spots all day, I've seen it bunch of times.
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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby FSP » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:10 am

Northerner nicnely explained why a wave spot might be kept secret! They are precious when they arrive and its true that just a few lawn moweres can cause dangerous confusion.

Casino in particular can be tight and just as your blazing thru a 7m fade into a bottom turn you look up and you will encounter someone pinching his heart out to get to shore :D :D and you the surfer must time that lip and get around him in split seconds. This can be be very dangerous so Hopefully other read this and know, this is a pinnacle of kiteboarding to many so learn what is happening before having at that beach.
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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby Eric A. » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:37 pm

Speaking of waves....there may be some fun little rollers Saturday in south haven. Nice north coming.
Me I have to work a double shift. 2 gigs Saturday so I will be out of the mix, but for you weekend warrior types....it should be ON!

So come to SoHa and ride some waves.

There is my invitation to you all to come and enjoy my wave pool down at the blue stairs.
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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby Eric A. » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:40 pm

Yes I said it....my wave pool.
Usually I'm one of the only guys riding down there....me and the surfers...so I claim it as mine!

Mine mine mine....and st joe too....mine mine mine....all mine....but you can always come and play. :)
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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby Misfit » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:43 am

This topic is something that i've scratched my head about for quite a while now. We were all new to this at one time or another and each and every one of us probably got into someone's way while learning. It happens. I've been the only guy hitting the waves more times than I care to count while being surrounded by people mowing the lawn. Am I the jackass for not following the lines that the majority of riders are taking? Am I to look down my nose at those that (from a strapless wave riding perspective) aren't making the best of the conditions? Nope. As long as you're having fun, you're good with me. Should you get in my way, i'll deal with it and if I get into your way on the H2o, my bad.


IVO, another year of me not getting out much at all. Boo! If you see anything special coming, please hit me up. I'll do my very best to peel away from life for a session with ya!

Eric, i'm guilty of never hitting the sweet spot you're talking about. I have this thing about going very far downwind unless i'm actually doing a downwinder. I know, it's a defect that has most likely cost me some of the best waves the big lake has to offer. :) Wish I could hit SOHA today but i've got tix For Social D here in the Fort tonight. I'll have to catch the next one. Oh well, i've got the vistalites to hold me over until I can hit the big lake again.

Just a few thoughts,

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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby FSP » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:25 pm

i dont think u want to see at as hating on those learning cuz its not. I teach people all the time how to kite and have a number of friends who will always be noobs, it is however dangerous and this might be the only place a person has time to contemplate what is happening out there. wouldnt take it the wrong way as trying to be arrogant or spoil the lawn mowing fun.
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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby Misfit » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:46 am

Yo Scotty G,

No worries. I was just looking for others perspective on this.

Hit me up if you see something special coming. I'd love to hit the south end with ya soon!

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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby skysurfr » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:51 am

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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby West » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:46 am

It takes time...lots of time, in order to chase down the waves on the BIG LAKE.

It takes knowledge, lots of knowledge to know where to chase down waves on the BIG LAKE.

It takes karma, lots of karma to be in the right place at the right time on the BIG LAKE.


If you travel to other places in order to kite, then you realize rather quickly the depth of the "kiter camaraderie" on Lake Michigan...it is undeniable!! As for "localism" and "secret spots"....I say HOGWASH....if as a beginner kiter you feel as though you perceive this, then step back and re-evaluate after "learning the ropes".....some beginning kiters feel entitled to know everything about kiting LAKE MICHIGAN instantly, as if that is their right upon picking up the sport. The problem with that is that there are very limited times and places for these kiters to SAFELY kite the BIG LAKE....it takes time to develop the skills to kite many of our launches, this is especially true during the spring and fall, and the wave conditions here can be rather treacherous....

If it is someone's desire to not only kite LAKE MICHIGAN, but to avidly chase the waves on LAKE MICHIGAN...persistence is your key!!! There are no "secret spots" to those who dedicate themselves to finding them on the BIG LAKE; however, I must warn you that they are very elusive, and that is where the "rubber meets the road" ......most kiters DO NOT want to spend the time or take the chance to find the waves, they WANT the closest place for them to kite....and that is the reality of it. It is hard enough to find wind on the BIG LAKE, much harder to find waves to go with it; and most kiters cannot handle the idea of driving another hour or two, with the chance of being "skunked" trying to find the best wave conditions, when they could have just kited there regular spot and gone home!!

As for kiters worried about others not understanding "wave etiquette" on LAKE MICHIGAN.....these are very rare instances, because if the waves are substantial, then there are simply not many kiters riding them. If on the other hand you travel to a "wave destination", be prepared to experience true "localism" (Santa Cruz, Hatteras, Maui, PR). And to truly understand this Cory, you have to adapt a surfer's mentality of I, ME, MINE!! Not Eroc's joking about IT, but an actual possessive mentality that exists in a surfer's mind; and in these spots you "better" understand the RULES, or else!!!!!!!

SO if someone "really" wants to ride the waves on the BIG LAKE....dedicate yourself (put in the time, make the commitment), and the so called "secret spots" will not seem so secret any more!! Pier and Ivo are a testament to that fact.... :)

Been missing riding the waves with you Cory, surfboard and all!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Sharing favorite wave spots

Postby IVO » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:31 pm

I was getting more involved in surfing that kitesurfing this year due to my knees and it was fun to learn new language from scratch coming to new community,but once you learn the ropes secrets are no secrets anymore:)

West you were too generous,I know only 1/10 of what you have forgotten over the years,I was happy to learn from the Best.Kitting changed my life forever and friends I made along the road is what counts.The magic come when you have your buddy next to you ripping on same wave,sharing the same very moment,watching sunset,drinking beer along the coast...As I once heard all those memories become to one big windy blurry day but friends you made along the road stays forever

Cory I only could promise I'll do as same as I have done with you in the past buddy!

Now lets get Highway man back on road,we miss you man!
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