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pablokite
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Gear Purchasing Advice

Post by pablokite » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:19 am

Hi,

Before I ask my questions, I will tell you my story so it is easier to understand my concerns. I just got into kiteboarding a few weeks ago, and last week I took around four 2-hour lessons at a local school of mine. I live in Miami, so the wind is nice but not extremely strong:

http://www.windalert.com/spot/43751

So I finished my last lessons, still struggling with the water start but nothing practice can't solve. My instructor told me I could purchase my gear now and come anytime I want and just pay for a supervised session, which is where I get to practice on my own but pay a small fee to have an instructor look after me in case anything goes wrong. I thought it was perfect because I need to get a lot of hours of practice to get my water start perfected without having to pay more lesson rates, which is around $100 per hour. My instructor advised me to go to the company's (the same company that provides the lessons/classes) local store. He advised me to get an 11m kite as well, due to my size, weight, and the local wind pattern, which is 120lb (55kg) and a height of 5'11'' (1.78m). Therefore, yesterday, I visited my local store and got a quote on the price of a complete gear set:

- 2017 Cabrinha switchblade 11m ($1739)
- Cabrinha bar ($579)
- NPSurf waist harness ($120)
- Leash and spreader bar ($160)
- Used board with straps ($200) I forget the measurements of this one, but the person at the store told me it was my size
Total (with tax): ($2785)

I really like the switchblade because that is what I have been practicing on during my lessons. However, I can't afford a set of $2785. I am trying to stay under $2000, since I have already spent $1000 on lessons. Now, I came out of the store a bit disillusioned that I couldn't get a deal I wanted, but continued researching throughout the day. I will list the other deals I came across, which I would greatly appreciate if I could get some feedback on whether they are a good path for a beginner to take.

1)
Through Craiglist, I ran into a guy that lives a two-hour drive away from me, but has a 2017 Cabrinha switchblade 11m demo kite, which he says only has 10 hours of use and will sell it for $1000. This seems to me like a promising deal, but as a beginner I am a bit skeptical of used kites because I am not sure if I could inspect them properly to determine if I am actually getting a decent kite. Is it worth it to drive there to buy this kite in your opinion?

2) I found this deal on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CABRINHA-Switch ... SwN2VZTRjp

Same kite but with the bar, both new, at a price of $1500. I contacted the seller and he responded he can't guarantee a warranty. I was advised to buy only new from the internet, but is this a deal worth it? If I'd gone with deal #1, I would have bought that demo kite for $1000 and a new bar for $500, so it'd be relatively the same. However, it is a little bit scary to spend so much money on an online item. What do you recommend?

3) I found another person within a two-hour drive that will sell me a $1100 Cabrinha 2017 12m used kite, used like 4 times due to being a demo kite, but he will be willing to meet me halfway, so around a one-hour drive. Nevertheless, I am not sure if a 12m kite will be too overpowered for a slim guy like myself.

4) There is another deal on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/232377936759?ul_noapp=true

Selling a Cabrinha 2017 10m kite for $1000. This is very similar to the deal #2, but this one is a 10m. I am not sure if I want to go a meter below what I was recommended, besides that it looks like a good deal. I contacted the guy and he never used it and is selling it because he lost interest.

5) I saw another post of Craiglist of a person that lives within my local area and is selling a "brand new 2017 SLINGSHOT Z-KITE 11M with bar -$600.00." This deal seems way to cheap to be true for me. I could always ask him to inflate it up and show it to me in a nearby beach, but I am concerned I won't be able to tell if it is a good kite. Do you guys think this is too cheap to be that good?


Those are the options I have considered so far. I think the kite is my greatest concern, because I plan on getting the bar, harness, and leash brand new. The kite and board I am open to get used, but I want to make sure I don't waste my money on something that will end up breaking. I am seeking your advice because I feel I don't know anyone else who can give me an unbiased opinion. I have contacted several local schools and local shops, but of course they will recommend me their brand new products, which seem amazing but not affordable for me.

Thank you so much for your feedback,
Pablo.

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Re: Gear Purchasing Advice

Post by Hugh » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:49 pm

Pablo,

I've 12 years experience and kites from Best, Naish, and Cabrinha. That said, I've never flown a Cabrinha Switchblade, although they are a popular style of kite. If you are uncertain about how to evaluate used kites, a reasonable problem, an alternative is to rely on a shop for some confidence. In my experience the REAL Watersports shop in Cape Hatteras does decent deals on used kites and gives a reasonable idea of the state of the kite. For example, I bought my Naish Pivot 9m 2015, and 7m 2016 kites from them and have been happy with the condition (and they are great kites but they don't have suitable sizes left). They do have a Switchblade 12m from 2015 for $700 in reasonable condition - http://www.realwatersports.com/used-201 ... -blade-12m. This might indeed be a bit big given you are 120 pounds (I am 190 and 5' 11"), but since your summer winds, at least, are not too strong, would give you good riding this summer and then with more judgement you could buy something else in the Fall (that is, look around for a 9m online). Note that REAL puts their rental gear on sale as used gear late in the Fall, a good time to buy for next year (but they don't have lots of Cabrinha kites). Assuming you will stick with the sport, a new bar is not a bad idea and can be used on all your Cabrinha kites, but it looks like they are trying to sell you to top-of-the-line bar, when their basic bar, a 52cm 1x Fixed Quick Loop will do fine for most kite sizes and cost $100 less.

KittyHawkKites is the main dealer for Cabrinha at Cape Hatteras, but they seldom have used gear, and none listed on their website (but give them a call) - e.g. https://khkkiteboarding.com/collections ... ding-kites. You could get your bar there if your local shop is difficult.

Good luck!

Hugh

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Re: Gear Purchasing Advice

Post by pablokite » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:38 pm

Hugh wrote:Pablo,

I've 12 years experience and kites from Best, Naish, and Cabrinha. That said, I've never flown a Cabrinha Switchblade, although they are a popular style of kite. If you are uncertain about how to evaluate used kites, a reasonable problem, an alternative is to rely on a shop for some confidence. In my experience the REAL Watersports shop in Cape Hatteras does decent deals on used kites and gives a reasonable idea of the state of the kite. For example, I bought my Naish Pivot 9m 2015, and 7m 2016 kites from them and have been happy with the condition (and they are great kites but they don't have suitable sizes left). They do have a Switchblade 12m from 2015 for $700 in reasonable condition - http://www.realwatersports.com/used-201 ... -blade-12m. This might indeed be a bit big given you are 120 pounds (I am 190 and 5' 11"), but since your summer winds, at least, are not too strong, would give you good riding this summer and then with more judgement you could buy something else in the Fall (that is, look around for a 9m online). Note that REAL puts their rental gear on sale as used gear late in the Fall, a good time to buy for next year (but they don't have lots of Cabrinha kites). Assuming you will stick with the sport, a new bar is not a bad idea and can be used on all your Cabrinha kites, but it looks like they are trying to sell you to top-of-the-line bar, when their basic bar, a 52cm 1x Fixed Quick Loop will do fine for most kite sizes and cost $100 less.

KittyHawkKites is the main dealer for Cabrinha at Cape Hatteras, but they seldom have used gear, and none listed on their website (but give them a call) - e.g. https://khkkiteboarding.com/collections ... ding-kites. You could get your bar there if your local shop is difficult.

Good luck!

Hugh

I was recommended to buy a Switch Element 5 kite, which I have been told is a cheap and good choice. Do you know anything about Switch?

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Re: Gear Purchasing Advice

Post by grigorib » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:27 am

My advice....contact Bob.
Brand new 10m Slingshot Rally 2016, Cabrinha 1x bar with Trimlite (leash included), a pump, a Mystic Warrior harness (spreader included) will cost you under $1500 all new and that's top notch gear you will not outgrow first 2-5 years of your progression. A board for $300 and you're a $1000 south of initial price and with superior gear.

My advice is also to get a floatation vest or buffed up Dakine impact vest and pair of half-finger gloves will add to quality and safety of your time on water.

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Re: Gear Purchasing Advice

Post by Bob » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:06 am

Thanks Grigory,

Pablo...>Bob here. I've been in the kiteboarding business for over 12 years now in Madison, Wi. and carry a ton of gear. Some great deals right now and some of those may not yet be listed on the web site. I also have a lot of demo kites coming up for sale soon due to 2018's coming to the market.

I can get you set up like Grigory said with gear you won't outgrow for a very reasonable price.

Thanks....Bob
Bob
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madison, wi

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